Curse

the slasher · Jun 18, 2009, 08:18 PM // 20:18

well... its fairly easy, isnt it? just pop your 3 discord necros and go discordway... (deadly arts 11, assassin's promise, "You Move Like A Dwarf!", Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support and "Finish Him!") and some support on the other 4 skills and you are set for PvE with one of the best team build for both HM and NM, and fairly safe to use...

If, however, you're looking for a build without PvE-only skills, focusing on supporting as a backliner... sorry, cannot help you, especially if the you want to focus on the ritualist skills. Personally, I can't handle Ritualists, as they are not specialized in anything. I dont know alot/anything about necros except for the effects of some skills...

well, hope you use discordway, it's my personal favoritte, but you may want to use sth else...

hope it was useful for you^^

iToasterHD · Jun 18, 2009, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Unfortunately, I do not use PvE skills. I am looking for a good build, not just as many PvE skills as possible, and filler.

False Maria · Jun 18, 2009, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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I was referring to the second build I posted, a few posts up from this one. The original build was deemed a dud.

Oh, my mistake then.

In that case, the build is actually pretty good. Not my cup of tea - I like to either do damage or heal, never both at the same time - but it seems pretty good.

I little suggestion, though. Drop the rez (but only if there are plenty rezzes in the group already) and get Arcane Echo to use with Spirit Rift and/or Ancestor's Rage.

BrettM · Jun 19, 2009, 01:38 PM // 13:38

It looks like Rt/Mo channel/smite builds like this are in trouble, given that one now has to put many points into Spawning Power to make the weapon spells *almost* as effective as they were before the update. That, of course, leaves few points to put into Smiting Prayers, making those skills less effective as well.

Joseph Spiritmaster · Jun 19, 2009, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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You can replace the wep spells with like GDW and Splinter

12+1+3 Spawning
9 channeling
9 Smiting (or whatever that spread is)

Try that out, better emanagement, and you can toss in like rage or something when you want to... though this does require 1 physical, but overall it works well.

AND with the new spawning "buff" it works much better.

(Credit to Myself and Uber Shinboy for the build [i did ask permission to use name])

Keira Nightgale · Jun 19, 2009, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Joseph Spiritmaster

[WZPhysicalSupportSpammer;OAOj4kgJJTJbLbgfAArTkhzTz DA]

You can replace the wep spells with like GDW and Splinter

12+1+3 Spawning
9 channeling
9 Smiting (or whatever that spread is)

Try that out, better emanagement, and you can toss in like rage or something when you want to... though this does require 1 physical, but overall it works well.

AND with the new spawning "buff" it works much better.

(Credit to Myself and Uber Shinboy for the build [i did ask permission to use name])

No offense but that template is really horrible.
OP needs a grand total of 3 weapon spells to be effective, Great dwarf, splinter and warding, all other non elite weapon spells are pretty much fodder.
He could try running vengeangeful and zealot fire for a fun combo, paired up with a rotgord mark ele and a They are on fire paragon, in that case wielder's boon would be nice but not necessary.

Joseph Spiritmaster · Jun 19, 2009, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by Keira Nightgale

No offense but that template is really horrible.
OP needs a grand total of 3 weapon spells to be effective, Great dwarf, splinter and warding, all other non elite weapon spells are pretty much fodder.
He could try running vengeangeful and zealot fire for a fun combo, paired up with a rotgord mark ele and a They are on fire paragon, in that case wielder's boon would be nice but not necessary.

Well it was made for a FoW run that my guild (variant of a physway build)

That was just the basic temple, the wep speels arnt needed, really what is needed is Weilders Zeal, Renewing memories and Energetic was Lee Sa. i've been to able easily heal/support our team (in HM FoW) with NO energy management, while only having 1 blip e-regen (o.o!)

I mean, it works well for me and my purposes, but i thought i would put it out there. Dont diss it til you try it, the theory behind it is sound and when tied in with like WoW, Resilent, GDW/Vengeful your fine. the other skills can be SoH, Zealots, Rage, whatever. but it works well.

Keira Nightgale · Jun 19, 2009, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Joseph Spiritmaster

Well it was made for a FoW run that my guild (variant of a physway build)

That was just the basic temple, the wep speels arnt needed, really what is needed is Weilders Zeal, Renewing memories and Energetic was Lee Sa. i've been to able easily heal/support our team (in HM FoW) with NO energy management, while only having 1 blip e-regen (o.o!)

I mean, it works well for me and my purposes, but i thought i would put it out there. Dont diss it til you try it, the theory behind it is sound and when tied in with like WoW, Resilent, GDW/Vengeful your fine. the other skills can be SoH, Zealots, Rage, whatever. but it works well.

Swap to 12+1+1 channeling 12 in smiting prayers. Bring in selfless spirit and air of superiority. If you're using cons drop air of superiority and instead take ural's hammer and intensity, or ural's hammer and great dwarf weapon. Assuming it's a human team someone will have ebon stendard of honor, it's physical way so you will have a necro, ask him to bring weaken armor.
Destructive was glaive as elite.
You're going to hit in the 100 with ancestor (the abyssals) and since you got no energy trouble (selfless spirit can be kept 2/3 of the time with cons) zealot fire is going to be handy.

Joseph Spiritmaster · Jun 19, 2009, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Keira Nightgale

Swap to 12+1+1 channeling 12 in smiting prayers. Bring in selfless spirit and air of superiority. If you're using cons drop air of superiority and instead take ural's hammer and intensity, or ural's hammer and great dwarf weapon. Assuming it's a human team someone will have ebon stendard of honor, it's physical way so you will have a necro, ask him to bring weaken armor.
Destructive was glaive as elite.
You're going to hit in the 100 with ancestor (the abyssals) and since you got no energy trouble (selfless spirit can be kept 2/3 of the time with cons) zealot fire is going to be handy.

Okay well you can go ahead and run that, and complain how your energy will be lacking so yea, selfless spirit wont be enough nor will air, and tbh you shouldnt have to use them in the first place. so good luck with that

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Keira Nightgale · Jun 19, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Joseph Spiritmaster

Okay well you can go ahead and run that, and complain how your energy will be lacking so yea, selfless spirit wont be enough nor will air, and tbh you shouldnt have to use them in the first place. so good luck with that

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I used to do fow HM with 6 heroes and 2 humans with this same build

Joseph Spiritmaster · Jun 19, 2009, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Keira Nightgale

I used to do fow HM with 6 heroes and 2 humans with this same build

Ya' use a bip?

And other build idea i got this morning that is working well

Look at the Rit lord build an dyou can switch out some of the buffed skills for sig of creatin, etc (keep the 3 spirits and boon) and you can have the same support as an imbagon, now it wont replace the imba, but it is a good extra support to use =D